Yes it took me well over a couple hours apiece. Grinding, testing, grinding, testing. Am almost 'lucky' my first tries were pretty decent. I've already slacked some and messed up a cut for an Unknown. So far from perfect. Lol.The valve 1.0 and mars aren't the easiest to do by hand w their bumps and/or curves. That have to be perfectly placed so lenses don't slip or rotate.